Friday, September 18, 2009

Last chance in Afghanistan, say Nick Clegg and Paddy Ashdown

"The crucial question on Afghanistan today is not whether this war is important. It is. It is not whether the consequences of failure are serious. They are. It is a much more brutal question: can we win? And the answer is no. Unless we change both our current policies and our present attitudes, failure is inevitable."

Read the full article here.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

The powers that be, should listen to Paddy!

neil craig said...

We decided at the Nuremberg Trials that planning aggressive war & bombing civilians were war crimes & massacring, ethnic cleansing, genocide & mass kidnap & rape were crimes against humanity. There is no question that the LibDem leaders, without exception, enthusiastically supported an aggressive war against Yugoslavia conducted overwhelmingly by bombing civilians. That after the occupation of Kosovo they unanimously supported the Massacres, such as Dragodan where at least 210 civilians were murdered by our police, widespread genocide, the ethnic cleansing of at least 350,000 & the kidnap & sale to brothels of thousands, probably 10s of thousands of children. It gas since become public that the British government knew & thus party leaders who are Privy Councillors would have known, that our police kidnapped at at least 1,300 Serbs & dissected them while still alive to sell the parts to our hospitals.

There is clearly a prima faci case that all those involved, including all the leaders of the party, are personally guilty of these war crimes & crimes against humanity.It seems to me that this is a serious charge yet not only have all LibDem MP's refused to defend themselves in any fact based way* but neither has any
LibDem blogger & the party has made it a condition of membership that one support this genocide. Indeed most of them (listed here http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2009/09/lib-dem-bloggers-who-censor-in-nazi.html) have also censored mention of the facts. It should be unnecessary to point out that censorship (& indeed genocide) is anathema to any real liberal.

I am therefore seeking to find if there is a single "Liberal Democrat" anywhere among the alleged 60,000 members who feels it is possible to dispute, in any factual way, the prima faci case that the entire party leadership are guilty of war crimes, genocide & worse crimes even Hitler didn't match in the Nazi cause. Alternately is there any single party member who disproves of such atrocities & supports the application of the rule of law to such people.


* The sole person to have been publicly willing to defend the party is Baroness Shirley Williams who admitted that we had done such things but that it was alright because "Milosevic did the same". She supported that allegation by stating that she personally had seen Yugoslav police carrying out the same atrocities as our police when she visited Belgrade in 1995. While I have to accept this as representing the absolute pinnacle of honesty of which she is capable nobody else has seen this & all other sources say that the fighting in Kosovo took place in Kosovo in 1998/9. When asked to give details of these alleged acts she has repeatedly refused. I'm afraid before accepting that there is any truth in her words I would have to see independent evidence.

Aberavon and Neath Liberal Democrats said...

If Neil's comment had been posted anonymously, I would have rejected it. Since he has had the courage of his convictions and identified himself - and his blog, http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/, which I invite readers to check out - I cannot in conscience censor him.

However, his criticisms are way over the top. I doubt that anyone with a detailed knowledge of the Yugoslav conflicts reads this blog, so Neil's comment will not be subjected to the point-by-point rebuttal that it deserves. The absence of that rebuttal should not be taken as a plea of guilty by the Liberal Democrats.

Two general points: Neil's reference to an attack on "Yugoslavia" suggests that he is an unreconstructed supporter of the communist state set up by Tito.

Secondly, he should either refrain from using Latin tags or learn how to spell "prima facie".

The Police Federation may be interested in his assertion that our bobbies murdered 210 civilians over there.

Frank Little